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Jotun
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 Re: 2012 Baseball Thread Blasphomet wrote: If any team was stupid enough to look at a pitchers wins before ERA or WHIP and make their decision on whether to sign them based on that... well, it doesn't happen so it's a moot point.
Wins mean next to nothing when it comes to the effectiveness of a pitcher. Romero is a great example this year. He's struggled quite a bit, walked a ton of people, but has had a ton of run support to boost his win/loss record.
The top two pitchers in ERA in the NL are the opposite side of the spectrum. Brandon Beachy has a 2.00 ERA but is 5-5. And that's on Atlanta, who've been a pretty solid team this year. If you have a good ERA and WHIP, and are on a decent team, the wins usually come regardless, it's a given, so again wins are sort of a moot point/stat.
And saying 'sort of' is being generous. IMO, wins mean absolutely nothing when it comes to a pitchers quality. When I am looking at some stats before a game to see who jays are facing, wins never come into the equation. No sport is based more on stats than baseball is... but wins mean nothing. my whole point was the Phillies are SHIT this year and have the second highest payroll in baseball  i'm well aware wins are not the best measurement for pitchers, but not one of us would have expected Lee & Halladay to have combined for 4 wins in late June. the other day Cliff Lee gave up 4 RBI's to a guy batting less than .100, he also has pitched some great games this year with little run support, but still he has a 5.10 ERA. and has blown several leads especially lately I GUESS THAT'S WORTH $21,500,000 to you because wins don't really matter though  get over yourself.
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Blasphomet
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread a 5.10 ERA isn't good. Nothing to get over. Just telling you how it is
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Reanimated
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread Way to go Lawrie! Steamrolled Hester and got away with one to make this game very interesting!
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Draven
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread
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Burning Ham
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread Reanimated wrote: Way to go Lawrie! Steamrolled Hester and got away with one to make this game very interesting! Trout musta not got the memo.
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Lapidate
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread Reanimated wrote: Way to go Lawrie! Steamrolled Hester and got away with one to make this game very interesting! Rasmus should have plowed him too.
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread
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Burning Ham
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread That's some spin! 
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Metal_King
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread The Dodgers are falling back to earth...well, they have been falling back to earth.
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Metal_King
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread I found Angels tickets for $4 on stubhub. That's even cheaper than the minor league team around here.
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Metal_King
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread That is THEE first time I have ever seen anything like that. 
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strangeways
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread Lapidate wrote: Sabathia and Pettite placed on the DL today by the Yankees. Nice to see them taking their share of the Jays' woes.
And Boston's. Boston has had more games lost to injury than anyone in the league.
Currently on the DL for Boston (this is just off the top of my head):
Scott Podsednik
Ahhh, yes - good old Scottie Pods! As a long time White Sox fan I have fond memories of Scottie during our run to the 2005 World Series championship! Why is Scottie so happy?  Because of his playmate wife!  Angry Inch wrote: Guys that have missed time on the DL (again, top of my head):
Kevin Youkilis (traded) Thanks for the uptick on third base for us (White Sox)! Angry Inch wrote: Frankly it's amazing they're even competing at all.
Agreed. The Red Sox have certainly had their fair share of bad luck this year. Here's a pic of A.J. + 1,000 games in a White Sox uniform for the greatest player in MLB history. He hit two home runs the other night in another victory over the New York Yankees. Simply the best. Should be in the All Star game for sure. 
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Angry Inch
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread I realize that the White Sox 3rd base situation was the very definition of black whole, but Youk is only hitting .231 and a dismal .528 OPS. There's a reason all Boston got in return for him was an awful hitting bench player and a lottery ticket pitcher (that 2 teams have no given up on).
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread Angry Inch wrote: the very definition of black whole Is "black whole" another name for the entire race of black people in the world?
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Angry Inch
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread Freudian typo?
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Lapidate
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread strangeways wrote: A.J. - 1,000 games in a White Sox uniform for the greatest player in MLB history. 
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Angry Inch
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread Yeah that's some kind of absurdity.
A.J. Pierzynski was also involved in one of the more one-sided trades in recent memory when Minnesota sent him to San Fransisco for Joe Nathan, Boof Bonser and Fransisco Liriano.
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Metal_King
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread strangeways wrote: A.J. - 1,000 games in a White Sox uniform for the greatest player in MLB history. WTF?
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Burning Ham
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread Pat him on the head.
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread Burning Ham wrote: Pat him on the head. I mean, I have no problem with homerism...I get that; but, strangeways has lost it.
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Burning Ham
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread Well, he only knows three things in his life: The White Sux, PISS and Trouble.
One out of three ain't bad...?
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread Burning Ham wrote: Well, he only knows three things in his life: The White Sux, PISS and Trouble.
One out of three ain't bad...?
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Metal_King
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread  Hanging out in Toys 'R' Us with one of my true heroes. 
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Jotun
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread ok so maybe if they just let ALL teams in the playoffs the Jays might have a shot... maybe.
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Re: 2012 Baseball Thread Nice to see Detroit finally playing up to potential but with their shaky starting pitching, who knows.
I don't know how to evaluate the Indians. I guess I am glad they are where they are yet again at all star time with out some of the good starting pitching they had last year. If they improve, who knows.
On a side note, I am digging the Reds and the Pirates duking it out in the NL. That along with the Nationals doing well is so freaking refreshing.
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